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Saturday, November 15, 2008

Anyone else tired of being a Prop 8 Punch Bag Bob?


I'm so tired of taking one for the team about Prop 8. If one more person tells me how they like me, but hate my church, I might smack 'em. It wouldn't be OK to say, "I like you, but your outfit and hair - maaaaaaan - those are atrocious!" We wouldn't think of saying that would we?  That's because our mamas raised us better! But when it comes to religion, folks feel free to say what they want.

Guess what?  It's not cool anymore. Anthrax-hoaxes at temples?  Lame.

I found the following on someone's blog and wanted to share it. It's my sentiment right now. Everyone can blame Mormons for the vote, but it wasn't an exclusively LDS mandate.


1. Mormons make up less than 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 800,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 34 million.

2. Mormon voters were less than 5% of the yes vote. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then LDS voters made up 4.6% of the Yes vote and 2.4% of the total Proposition 8 vote.

3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign. Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.

4. The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $32 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.

5. Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.

6. The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Yes on 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Yes on 8.

7. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8

8. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).

9. The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims – all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.

10. Not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility, respect and love," despite their differing views.

11. The Church did not violate the principle of separation of church and state. This principle is derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, although it has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court in recent years. The LDS Church is under no obligation to refrain from participating in the political process, to the extent permitted by law. U.S. election law is very clear that Churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues. The Church has always been very careful on this matter and occasionally (not often) chooses to support causes that it feels to be of a moral nature.

12. Supporters of Proposition 8 did exactly what the Constitution provides for all citizens: they exercised their First Amendment rights to speak out on an issue that concerned them, make contributions to a cause that they support, and then vote in the regular electoral process. For the most part, this seems to have been done in an open, fair, and civil way. Opponents of 8 have accused supporters of being bigots, liars, and worse. The fact is, we simply did what Americans do – we spoke up, we campaigned, and we voted.




(If anyone would like to fact check all that - feel free. I started, but I'm getting tired now.  Any takers?)

I guess the biggest point I'd like to make is.....more folks in CA wanted it to pass than didn't want it to pass. Punct.  Similar amendments came up in other states and they also passed.  I wish no one to be hurt by legislation - but folks, it wasn't just Mormons who weren't interested in gay marriages being recognized. I'm sorry about that.  I cannot imagine the pain it must cause.

But guess what - just because I'm LDS and have a tender heart - that doesn't mean I want to read 

1. untruths about what happened

2. the unkind comments about Mormons that are now deemed acceptable.

3.  that I am close-minded, ignorant, uneducated, backwards, misguided, etc. because I continue to love my religion.

4.  that I probably live in a bubble and know no gay people, therefore, I shouldn't get to vote.

5.  that Mormons are uneducated, and that's the whole problem.

Or, ya know, anything of the like.

I feel if proponents of gay marriage have a problem with the LDS church, they should do what Pubs did to the Dixie Chicks a few years ago.....don't join in. Don't buy our albums or go to Deseret Industries and for pity's sake - don't send your kid to a LDS college. Never accept help from Mormons when they clean up after your hurricane and stay away from the Hallmark Chanel on Sunday mornings when they run Music and the Spoken Word. But maybe it's time to leave your LDS friends and neighbors  alone and use your energies to overturn Prop 8 or keep it from happening somewhere else if it is that important to you. Put your money and time where your mouth is....you know, like those pesky Mormons.

Thanks for hearing me out.

5 comments:

Momijimanjyu said...

Thank You!!!!

Mama said...

Are you getting beaten up, Momi? Lemme at 'em!!!!

MNBandMom said...

You mean to tell me that in your REAL LIFE ( off the net ) people are actually saying this shat to you?? *SIGH*.


There's not one dang thing I can say to make this all better but I am so sorry you have to put up with ignorance and with people that obviously are not loyal friends.


Bring me a hot dish anytime and pray for me all you want - I love me some Mormons!

Nancy Face said...

All the hatred against our church makes me sad...but not really surprised.

It does make me happy that other religions are speaking out in our defense.

I was a very visible supporter of the Arizona marriage amendment, but it didn't get ugly here...I just got yelled at a few times and somebody stole my signs.

Mama said...

Stolen signs seems very common, Nancy. Sorry to read that, though.

I've been reading a lot about LDS church vandalism lately. Some churches were spray painted with hate slogans. Which is so silly, IMO.

I still cannot believe someone mailed fake Anthrax to a temple! When I think how old some of those temple workers are, it makes me sad and angry to think of an 80-year-old opening the powder and having to deal with that. Despicable.